Uh what? Why did Goku decide to use the Spirit Bomb against Jiren? Why would Gohan who is hundreds if not thousands of times weaker than Goku, Piccolo, who is hundreds of times weaker than Gohan, and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? In fact yeah Zeno is clearly the metaphorical representation of the audience. Gohan is thousands of times weaker than Goku? 3 years ago Discussion. Jiren techinaclly didn't glance it off , the spirit bomb can not harm those who are good. Like I said, Krillin had access to Senzu beans and probably gave enough that he was exhausted afterwards, and we saw that making the difference vs Majin Buu with just regular humans giving the energy. Major Events. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. I mean, it really isn't terribly consistent because, like Goku thought, they could have just summoned Gohan to the Supreme Kai planet to whup Kid Buu but instead they took the Genki route, and apparently Gohan's energy + those of the others who knew Goku wasn't enough to kill Buu- they needed the rest of the Earth's population to contribute. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. @xanman2000: Well, I certainly don't remember multi-galaxy level feats so I would like to know when that happens. Going by the spirit bomb feat , Jiren loses . Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. Shattering the barrier, and pushing him to the new level. 1 1 Plague Punches People in the Face. Krillin and Tien even say exactly what you said. Strong enough to make Jiren move a muscle? © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. It gathers all of their energy and uses it in one massive attack all at once. Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. 30. I get what you're saying though: why did they think it would? Goku Spirit Bomb Vs Kid Buu Attack. Universal spirit bomb vs Jiren (with a few rules) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. No problem here because Zeno does not seem to care. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. How did Goku expect the Spirit Bomb to be effective against Jiren? Bringing him to life again in a way. Jiren vs Goku Spirit Bomb Scene Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Spirit Bomb #2 Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. WE know because we're the audience. I'd love to see some base gt Goku feats on that level. Goku launches the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb against Jiren… For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? When it blew, it "killed" Goku outright. It would appear that there are ways to defeat Buu other than with Goku’s spirit bomb. Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. Remember, this was a last ditch effort, Goku needed to get the most power he could in one attack if he was gonna even challenge Jiren. the Multi-Solar System+++//Low-Galactic Physicals of SSJG Goku are way above any feat in GT, including Omega Shenrons negative-energy threatening to destroy the Universe. 32 comments. Unlikely, but it could be the case for all we know. Conclusion. Spirit Bomb #2" - Page 4. For all they know, Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku pushing the Spirit Bomb should've been enough to hurt Jiren. Nowhere has that ever been stated. and everyone else who is hundreds of times weaker than Piccolo, amount to anything that could challenge Jiren? Super. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. Krilling was stronger than all the Ginyu force except Ginyu himself back during the fight with Freeza so its not impossible for him to have gotten to Ginyu's level by now, but again their battle power doesn't entirely translate directly to how much genki they can give. Jiren Deflects The Spirit Bomb | Dragon Ball Super Episode 110 English Dub So basically SSJB Vegito vs Jiren? Let's analyze the situation when Goku throws the Spirit Bomb when he is in Kioken x20. Maybe a normal human giving their energy might have issues, but Gohan, Piccolo, and Frieza are not normal humans. Gave their love energy or whatever to Ribrianne. Genki makes up only a portion of an individual's entire ki, so actually yes, it would mean that their genki is below Goku's if their ki level is below Goku's ki level. Goku also busted through Hit's personal Dimension in SSJB in the Anime. Cookies help us deliver our Services. In any event I don't think that the Spirit Bombs power is supposed to scale linearly. A popular fan theory is that Goku will actually absorb his Spirit Bomb, which will cause this unique new form. 1 Overview 2 Usage 3 Video Game Appearances 4 Trivia It is a Super Spirit Bomb powered byTeam Universe 7. They wouldn't have given all their strength to the Spirit Bomb, they have the entire tournament to complete. New comments cannot be … Just because Gohan and Piccolo are weaker than Goku doesnt mean their Genki energy (meaning Life energy) isnt as strong, or stronger than Gokus. But the energy entering his body acted as a sort of temporary boost. We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. As for everyone else, Freeza is SSB level, 17 has been shown to be at least above Ssj Goku, 18, Krillin, Tien and Roshi have also gotten much stronger recently. Jiren doesnt even need to stare it, he could just no sell it. Theres no direct rule against it only attacking fighters inside the ring from outside, which he didnt do. I can't comprehend this especially for those who'ev watched DBZ. - Page 4. SoundCloud. And keep in mind they didn't have a bar for how strong Jiren was at the moment. It also has never been said that a person giving their energy for a Spirit Bomb would be completely drained or have difficulty even standing. Eh, Jiren still wins, I guess. Goku knows that Toppo and Jiren fight for justice and are good people. Genki is not equal to Ki, first off. 6)add 4 years of training and multiple zenkai’s, SSB and Kaiokenx20 and Jiren still stomped. "7th Universe's Energy Sphere") is a powerful version of the Spirit Bomb, used by Goku in the Tournament of Power. Logically , Jiren should no sell the universal spirit bomb , because he destroyed SSBx20 KK , which is way stronger than the universe level SSG . It was yet another case of Toriyama using literally anything as a means to an end, even if it does make sense and contradicts everything established in the hundreds of chapters/episodes of the original series, the end in this case being another asspull of Goku getting UI. So what, they gave even less than their max energy which we already determined was insignificant(which would be a new thing that we didn't know the spirit bomb could do, take specific fractions of energy)? FWIW they have Senzu beans, and Goku doesn't HAVE to take all of their energy. [Discussion] Jiren vs. 16:33. who’s regeneration is incredible putting both Piccolo and Cell to shame. He should be at least final form Frieza level now tho, which is pretty strong. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. If I'm honest with you I think the best explanation is that the writers and the audience are basically Zeno. Multi galaxy level striking? And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? As the Spirit Bomb about to collide with Goku, he screams as he tries as hard as he can to resist. Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. Vegito was able to penetrate Buu's Barrier while he was collapsing the fabric of Space Time on itself also. Stream Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos from desktop or your mobile device. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? Goku vs Jiren (Pre Spirit Bomb) by Tommy Kretsos published on 2017-12-08T19:14:13Z. But the people from Universe I don't-even-care-to-remember-the-number... was it two? The wiki says Goku's spirit bomb had enough power to kill him, and that Kefla as a SSJ2 had more power than that. Honestly that Ball probably weaker than SSJ Blue Goku in TOP. Why was he allowed to give his energy? From what we've seen from the spirit bomb, it takes most if not all of the person's energy to the point where standing can be difficult. If he absorbed the Spirit Bomb, which didnt do anything to Jiren, it doesnt explain how that could make him match Jiren. This thread is archived. The Z-Fighters give energy to the Spirit Bomb and are able to function just fine. Spirit Bomb uses Genki not ki so Vegeta might not actually have much more to add than they do. They also don't have a lot of ki to spare. Go watch the Spirit Bomb episode(s) from the Buu saga again. Jiren (ジレン), also known as Jiren the Grey (灰色のジレン, Haiiro no Jiren), is a fictional character from the Dragon Ball media franchise by Akira Toriyama.Within the series, Jiren hails from Universe 11, a parallel universe to Universe 2. Gohan was only in his base form, not his Ultimate form, when donating his genki to Goku's Genki Dama, and Freeza wasn't in his Golden Freeza form either, thus both were donating their genki in forms far from their maximum. 7)Then Goku goes UI which is objectively above the spirit bomb and Jiren still beats him. It didn't, as we saw. Presumably it also uses some of Goku's energy as well, and Freeza DID contribute... and the skill seems to amplify the Genki (or else it's just that strong on its own) because it has a much greater effect than just taking ki from the donors would. They wouldn't notice or care all that much that it doesn't make sense. Jiren glares the bomb back at GT Goku just like he did to DBS Goku. 56% Upvoted. Did you watch episode 90? Happens in the movie, manga and the anime retelling so yeah take your pick. Hit wouldn't choose the lose the U6 tournament if not for Goku's performance. Really, I dare you to find feats in that movie that surpass Base GT Goku's dimension busting. The Saiyan is apparently obliterated by his own move, but Zeno and Future Zeno overseeing the tournament allow the competition to continue since it was Goku's own attack. Click to expand ... where he'd completely dominate Jiren until Goku giving the finishing blow in the ultimate MUI Goku vs Jiren. U2 GoD gave love enrgy to Ribrianne so Zeno doesn't care about that kind of help, It's not Toriyama as far as we know, it's Toei. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Does Jiren's Spirit Bomb end the arguments about Kid Buu > Super Buu?" Also jiren seems like the benevolent good guy so(read the jiren and buddha post) he can reflect it back. For all we know, Mr.Satan could provide the most energy out of anyone for a Spirit Bomb. Jiren stops the coming Spirit Bomb with a single hand, unimpressed by the attack, and redirects it back to Goku. Giving energy isnt against the rules. We have never seen that giving Genki to the Genki Dama drains you fighting energy. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy. the issue is him saying that it always saved them, it never did, only in the movies did it do anything to the villain. Krillin was an ineligible being on the sidelines, at that point he was on the same level of participation as literally everyone else not in the arena. Krillin gave his energy, sure. ''Because of spirit bomb'' yeah, it was Goku's spirit bomb. Just curious. Goku then goes X20 Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken, forcing Jiren to let out more power to push the attack right back. We only see this in the case of the regular humans. The Spirit Bomb energy was temporary, but gave Goku the ability to maintain the new form for the short time he did. Why would they give all their strength to defeat a singular opponent? Presumably it wasn't, since Beerus didn't take his chance. So SSJB Kefla would win since Blue is a lot stronger than 2. So the take away is that, Goku was being fueled by the Spirit Bomb energy, which is what gave him the energy to keep his new form going. Of course, Jiren vs Goku was the best fight of the tournament as both of them pushed each other to their limits and in the end, Jiren came out on top. Just curious. What happened is, that Goku was draining all his energy trying to hold back the bomb. If nothing else, seeing the Spirit Bomb outright bounced back instead of exploding and failing to kill its target (like with Freeza) was a blow. A spirit bomb battle is entertaining. Also laughing at the people saying that busting through a Dimensional Barrier is impressive in GT... Super Buu was able to do the same thing before absorbing Gohan. Then Ann & Goku powers up to Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct for the event as they absorbed the Spirit Bomb. And this is my biggest issue with the spirit bomb being used, why does anyone who offered their energy still have energy to spare? However, the Spirit Bomb isnt mandatory for Goku going into this form from now on. Jiren's not evil so the Spirit Bomb wouldn't affect him enough. Well the reason is because Goku didnt exactly absorb the Spirit Bomb. Keep in mind that regular humans don't have ki control (or really an idea of what ki is in general). Okay so I wasn't planning on making this post but I recently ranted/thought about it again and it's just too frustrating. Also the target audience for this show are little kids. And as a side note...Krillin, my dude, really why are you giving your energy you're probably not even Ginyu level lol. Goku now has the form, and shattered his limits. But in the future, we can assume he'll be able to tap into UI just like any other form, once he masters it and has proper time to get used to it. My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy. Okay so Goku is getting his ass kicked and the spirit bomb is his secret strategy. How did Goku expect the Spirit Bomb to be effective against Jiren? The film, which made the Legendary Super Saiyan Dragon Ball canon, saw Frieza orchestrate a fight between his two biggest enemies and Broly, a Saiyan capable of accessing an insan Against Boo they'd already beaten him and didn't need it. Discussion. The 'Dimensional'. Disney Heroes Episode: Goku VS Jiren Rated: TV-PG (fv) 1 About the Episode 2 Act 1 3 Act 2 4 Quotes 5 Gallery In this Episode, Goku and Jiren battle each other during the Universes Tournament Final as they test their Powers to the limit. On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "[Discussion] Jiren vs. Even BoG SSG Goku would one-shot the fodder GTverse. If he could give his energy, then Beerus should have also been able to give his energy, and that could have actually worked. If it did, it never would have worked as well as it did at any point in the series. Unless you're referring to the anime, which was not what I was talking about. Here are some facts about their rivalry in the Tournament of Power. Jan 1, 2018 #5 We've yet to see Jiren's full power. Even Piccolo, how is significantly weaker than Goku was still above Ssj2 Gohan level. They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. When that energy entered him, it mixed and collided with Gokus own energy, and his willingness to resist the energy that was killing him. Caring about cool things and erasing the show into oblivion by just not watching it if we are not pleased inb4 I'll quit watching if Caulifla gets ssb /s. It's not like genki is a different energy separate from ki, but rather one of the components that make up an individual's ki. share. Why the fuck do you all think Gohan is so which? Lol I would truly love to see those Battle of Gods feats that allow SSG Goku to defeat GT Goku, Baby, Super 17 or Syn Shenron. But Jiren doesn't seem malicious at all, so why on Earth did Goku think that the spirit bomb would of worked on Jiren even if he hadn't been so OP that he could deflect it? They just know he's strong. My first issue is that spirit bomb without Vegeta should have been weak as hell. How was this supposed to do anything against Jiren? Universe 7's Spirit Bomb (第7宇宙の元気玉, Dai Nana Uchū no Genki-dama, lit. My bad I forgot Frieza gave his energy...I actually assumed he didn't because...well he gave energy to Goku like 30 seconds later lol. That spirit bomb was a joke when stacked up against Jiren. Most people think that because he doesn't have god power yet. @thekinfing said: Jiren starestomps. Ultra Instinct Vegito Bloodsucker. That's a win for Goku's account. They more than likely are strong enough to the point where giving a lot of their energy doesnt actually drain much from them. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. So what, they gave even less than their max energy which we already determined was insignificant(which would be a new thing that we didn't know the spirit bomb could do, take specific fractions of energy)? Did you not watch the movie? In his universe he is considered the best hero of Justice. ... 7 The Spirit Bomb Couldn't Handle Jiren's Right Hand. So, base upon this evidence looking at both sides. Yet Gohan and Piccolo are still fighting like it's nothing. Dragon Ball Super will air Goku's battle with Jiren in Episode 109 on October 8th. Jiren vs Goku- Will Jiren stop the Spirit Bomb? Made by the talented PokéMixr92 *I DO NOT OWN DRAGON BALL. They'll put in inconsistencies and nonsensical plot points just because they think it's cool or would look cool. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Can Jiren stop the Universal Spirit Bomb from GT that wiped out Omega Shenron? All of this plus Goku's own energy seems like an attack worth at least trying. Archived. He is a member of the Pride Troopers, a heroic organization who are organized around defending their universe from evildoers. Goku Throws Spirit Bomb At Jiren - Dragon Ball Super Episode 109 English Sub. And in terms of how Goku couldve matched Jiren if he absorbed the energy, well Whis actually fully explains how this was possible. Maybe a normal human giving their energy might have issues, but Gohan, Piccolo, and Frieza are not normal humans. I'm not sure that God ki would even be compatible with the Spirit Bomb. Goku says this in DBZ. Nowhere has that ever been stated. Challenge: Explain the Spirit Bomb vs. Jiren. I mean, there was the issue of the AMOUNT of energy taken (they needed to drain enough to exhaust the Earth's population to kill Buu) so maybe the people in the stands gave up ALL of their energy after eating Senzu beans, so that made it that much more effective? My second issue is that Krillin gave his energy, Universe 2 did the same thing like 5 minutes earlier and were fine. From what we've seen from the spirit bomb, it takes most if not all of the person's energy to the point where standing can be difficult. Unlikely, but it could be the case for all we know. Close. if you are a dbz fan, you've got to check my posts! The Spirit Bomb does not affect good people. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Goku finally fights against Jiren. It drains normal humans, but every time we have seen the Z-fighters do it they seem perfectly fine. feel free to … We dont know much about how Genki fuctions so we dont know how much a regular person has. Goku vs Jiren “Goku absorbs Spirit Bomb and ascends to Ultra Instinct” 25 looking like 14 ; Huge Dragon ball z fan. That wasnt the main point either. In conclusion, with a little bit of thinking, things make sense. Goku Spirit Bomb was the only way to do so and that move was never once suggested there. Nothing about the spirit bomb here makes sense, from the strategy behind it to the power it had. I post about all db series & I'd like to express my randomness, i love pokemon, naruto, marvel, dc and all old cn. The result of that is that Goku was able to tap into the deeper potential inside himself. save hide report. So, what made Goku use it? By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. harperqaa4310. Posted by 2 years ago. 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